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Mar 16, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Seattle
Guild: SPQR
Profession: N/R
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Unfortunately, there has always been a griefing a-hole since the dawn of man, though few they were in numbers, their perpetual obnoxiousness is quite contagious. Manifesting itself in the rest of the population in a matter of months, sometimes weeks.
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Mar 16, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Floriduh
Guild: Elite Empire [EE]
Profession: W/E
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I, for one, have never really enjoyed PvP. I think its because I usually get 2-3 wins in and then start the process of sucking horribly, for whatever reason. I do enjoy Random Arena mostly because you can go in...and actually lose without feeling to terrible about it. That's my thoughts at least.
it is highly annoying when folks leave, but sometimes these things can't be helped. Some people don't have the best computer or internet connection. This doesn't excuse everyone by any means, but it's also just a thought. The other thing is that Guild Wars seems to be geared towards the more casual gamer. i.e. You don't have to waste an entire weekend getting your character to level up one or two levels, etc. The flipside to this is that alot of the missions just guide you along a set course, leaving little wiggle room. On top of that we haven't had any really new and exciting content added since Sorrow's Furance. Right after that update I found that alot of my inactive friends or fellow guildies came back for a time. Maybe since we're close to another huge update the good folks will come crawling back out of the wood-work and life will be interesting again. One can only hope. 
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Mar 16, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Mar 2006
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As someone who only started playing GW after the PVP weekend, I can tell you that RA is the only reasonable place for a "causal" player to do PVP. So it is, in fact, a valid PVP area, and there is no reason why it should be filled up with jag-offs.
I don't know about anyone else's experiences, but whenever I try TA or above, it feels considerably less fun. Because the higher up you go, the more you have to compete with and against the min/maxers, and I don't have the time or inclination to do that. It's harder to get a group, because people generally want to run some very specific builds (and balk at you if you haven't collected every skill for every class), and if you go in with a pickup/partial group, 9 times out of 10 you're up against a team far more organized than you. Not fun. (And btw, if you do manage to get in a decent team and don't do EXACTLY what your teammates expect, you get ridiculed to no end. Yeah, I'm going to spend time getting talked down to by a 16 year old. No thanks.) RA is at least a level playing field, and I do feel a certain sense of accomplishment when my RA team makes it to TA, and then wins a few matches there too. But this relatively rare... most of the time you have jerks doing all sorts of stupid stuff. Judging by some of the posts in this thread, it sounds like some of you hardcore people purposely come to RA to screw around and act stupid. That's fine and dandy, I guess, but remember that there are people for which RA is their regular PVP. Not necessarily because they are n00bs, but because they don't have the time or inclination to min/max it out, collect every skill in the game, master every build, etc.. I know it sounds crazy to some of you, but they have a right to play Guild Wars jerk-off free too. Last edited by JetJaguar; Mar 16, 2006 at 07:06 PM // 19:06.. |
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Mar 16, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2005
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I've been PvPing since release, have I encountered people that are crass, crude, arrogant and lack the ability function in a team environment? Sure. Has my experience been a mostly positive one? Definately. I've also been PvEing since release (skill grind FTW); Do I ecounter people who are so overwhelming childish, arrogant and willingly and agressively ignorant that they shouldn't been allowed to live past the age of 3 ? Sure. Has my experience (With the community) been a mostly postive one? Definately. All in all people really need to learn that just because they bought this game, everyone isn't there to serve you. You don't complain that XYZ sports League/University/etc doesn't take you in when you aren't qualified, so why are you complaining when a Top 10 guild/High Ranked Team doesn't? Quote:
"OMGz FU I no howz to ply my war , so STFU" or "LOL j00 r t3h nub cuz j00 don't hav r9" "Ok" *Kick Player* For all other situations, theres the old friend Ignore List and the ability to turn off Local Chat (which seems to be filled with drivel no matter where I go). For GvG its even easier, once they are gone from the guild, they can hardly bother you anymore. Quote:
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"Unfortunately you will always have elitist players who believe themselves the pinnacle of everything... Fortunately we can usually trounce them in gvg whenever they to allow us to compete against them...Lmao" Ad hominen attacks are silly. |
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Mar 16, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2005
Guild: Fellowship of Champions
Profession: R/E
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Mar 16, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Sep 2005
Guild: Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]
Profession: E/
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I don't really like the atmosphere I get from this thread, but I guess it's just a normal debate. Though the whole flaming thing makes me feel a bit odd. Ahh well.
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Mar 16, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Seattle
Guild: SPQR
Profession: N/R
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No offense, Shadowspawn and Akathrielah, you guys are just arguing about arbitrary differences in opinions. You guys have already agreed upon the negative effects of griefers. The importance of RA/TA being an upper or lower tier pvp is subject to individual views and opinions. Now you guys are just accusing each other of elitism and defending your defense of defenses.
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Mar 16, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I feel that my original call for action was the best way around this. But....its not even discussed.
 We share an instances in this game with people that are allowed to choose to be less than kind and corropative. Certainly some lines must be drawn, but the level of tolarnce should remain high and push to go higher, rather than finding ways to surpress someones desires that has minimal consequences. The emotional respond is the reason to act like a a**hole. If everyone would realize these attutides dont hurt them (at least in a virtual envoriment), then a**holes would loose intrest and move on or grow out of it. And even if they dont, it will matter less. For me when a griefer comes my way, the griefing never happens because I dont get grief. My solution is to find a way to ignore them better. Im still in favor of a well designed /kick feature. Team finding would help me to filter out the pugs to find a group of individuals with a simular plan and goal as to my own. The less time I have to take finding teams that work, the less time griefers have taking up my space. |
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Mar 16, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
Location: New York
Guild: Rage Three D
Profession: W/E
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See the reason why kids in games act like little a**holes is because game world is a place where they are really not controlled by their parents. So they thank they can act in whatever way they wish. I have known kids who are quite shy and polite in real life and a jerk in game world. And quite frankly parents dont really care what their kids do in some games. So the primary problem lay with the parents, not the kids. Parents should keep an eye on what their kids do in games, today's online games are different then the games played by today's parents when they were kids.
I think a solution is to raise awareness of these kind of behaviors by kids through media. No, I dont think this will ruin game play, it will only make it even better. |
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Mar 17, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2005
Profession: W/
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Socially speaking, the psychology of RPG addiction is fascinating...but more is the influence of the media over the mass. Children watching WWF/WWE or what-ever-the-hell it is called now is probably the number one influence (in the media) over young men's attitude towards women and what it means to be a man and not a "pussy"...bullying, humiliation, degredation....all of it geared to the 12-18 year old male...mmmmm....good cracker. Society is the problem (deeper than parents)...folks just don't want to take responsibility for themselves or anything else...just look at the sue-hungry heffer that took McD's for burning herself with a cup of coffe SHE spilled on HERSELF because she felt the restaraunt was negligent in serving her an actual cup of HOT f-ing coffee. People would rather argue and place blame on issues than actually deal with the issues (hence arguments amongst perfectly normal people about things not directly dealing with the subject of griefers/greifing in this thred...you're both right/wrong just admit it, shake hands and look at the BIG picture)...We tend to see our little corner of the planet as the point from which all other points should be seen. Truth is, we are all the same person and the debate we are typing out here is the same as the one that plays out in our own heads (quantum physics and the Budha will prove me right on this point so don't pick at it, you'll leave a scar)... My whole problem is that I used to like the quick RA/TA matches as a fun diversion, but because some little pinhead getting an adrenalin rush my ruining my (and other's) fun...I don't enjoy it any more. I go back once in a while to test things...that's it. The prevailant attitudes from RA/TA have overflowed into general game play, so now I have no clue how to have fun socially in this game...I'll be playing Morrowind: Oblivion in a couple days, but it won't be the same. A random RPer or great PUG in the middle of general play was what I really liked the game for. PvP was never really my thing, though I find it an interesting diversion...The issue of what is better (PvP or PvE or GvG) is a null issue for me (quit arguing about it please, 'cause only you care about what you like better....opinions cannot be debated on the merrits of themselves)... What I'm looking for is a way to rekindle some of the enthusiasm and wonder that this game held for me a year ago. Guilds that focus on PvP bugging me every day about setting me up on their voice service of choice is not fun. Neither is having the guilds I've been in for PvE die out because "Sir Loin of Beef" (made it up) hasn't been online for 2 months and neither have the other 12 members....Farming for wealth isn't fun either. The most fun I had was about a month ago when I bought 10 gold Shadow Bows and gave them as gifts to rangers who could answer cryptic riddles...a couple warriors played along and I met a couple fellow RPers...but chatting with them is often merely social and not gaming...I'd like both. I said before that maybe Factions will get me over the melancholia I seem to be suffering...In the mean time, I haven't had the heart to play...I sign in...I look at my inventory...check a couple old unfinished quests...grab henchies....step through the gate...kill a mob or two and log out. I have 2 low level characters that are nothing more than name-savers...I can't play through it all a sixth and seventh time...I just can't...I deleted a couple characters and couldn't bring myself to fully develop other professions after two rangers two necromancers and elementalist and a monk...the abuse I took as a monk killed the idea of EVER trying that again... I know I sound like a whiner (comes with being born a red-headed step child). I know I can't change the behavior of socially retarded monkeys. I see I'm not alone in my frustration...I just wonder if there has been anyone who has gone through it and truely risen above it...GW, sadly, has been my main form of entertainment/relaxation for the last year...I hate to move on, but I'm seriously in a funk right now about the state of the game...NOT in and of itself, but the quality of human being that is inhabiting the same little slice of cyberspace. By the way...even when I log in during the day (when all the 13-year-olds are in school...I know, 'cause I'm at work) I see the same "tards" cluttering up the chat channels... My apologies to any and all who found the need to have a little flamefest... but remember this isn't about you... It's about me |
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Mar 17, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
Location: New York
Guild: Rage Three D
Profession: W/E
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Yes I guess society is an issue here man.
But hey, I dont think many ppl who watch WE (I think thats wat they r called now) and Ultimate Fighter really want to give u their way of life just for some kids. If we bann all those shows, and along with all the shows that have bad languages and themes, we would all go back to watching "Dora the Explorer" with my little cousin. that is not going to happen. So it really is just to parents to prevent kids from watching those shows. I mean thast wat parental control is for right? |
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Mar 17, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2005
Profession: W/
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"parental control" has become an oxymoron....seriously
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Mar 17, 2006, 07:30 AM // 07:30
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: The Black Dye Cartel
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I'll just say this, don't let random arenas color your opinion of PVP in Guild Wars.
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Mar 17, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jan 2006
Profession: W/Mo
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And this question goes out to everyone: Why not? Individuals can not really do anything against a society, it's far to stressful and time consuming for one person, and that's all people see. In our fear to attempt the difficult, we forget to look for those to aid us in our challenge. Yes, what was said may be true. One can not change anothers behavior. HOWEVER, a group of people, a society, even our in game society, can force and atmosphere of change upon those who have offended us, and spurned us. If the community of non-griefing players were to stand up and simply say "To hell with all you griefers, you don't get to bully us anymore" they would lose thier ability to function effectively and would go crawling to easier prey because if there is one thing a griefer is, it's a COWARD. I reitterate my call for all persons in this game to never speak to a griefer unless it is to shame thier ignorance and cruelty, never trade with them, refuse to help them, do not team with them, and do everything in your power to take away their power. If you see someone arguing a losing battle over a subject with a griefer, support them, back thier idea, with more knowledge and experience comes victory. Make the griefer see that they are outnumbered by those who know better then they. If you encounter a griefer by accident in a team, warn all your friends immediately, and have them spread the word. If you see people swearing and cursing in a manner that is just obsessive and repulsive, do not hesitate to screenie and report. You are not a whiner, or a coward for defending your right to have standards. And ANYONE who says otherwise is WEAK and INSECURE, and has no right to say so. Make our Guild Wars society say that if these people want to play, they will play by our rules. Last edited by Ken Dei; Mar 18, 2006 at 12:00 AM // 00:00.. |
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Mar 18, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45
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Guild Wars Cutie
Join Date: May 2005
Location: In a land far far away
Guild: Te
Profession: Mo/Me
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Mar 19, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Feb 2006
Guild: Seeking atm
Profession: N/
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I earlier posted to let the griefers roll off your back. I hadn't been to RA in a while and felt like a random game today.....wow....
Each time I went into the wating area it was filled with hate speech (including once in Spanish about white people). Each match had either a leaver, a suicider, or just general greifers/name callers (no match ended without my team either insulting me, each other, or the opposing team). I did this for an hour thinking it would lighten up, I was wrong. In fact, it just became stranger and more potent. Maybe I was on at a bad time......I hope this isn't a sign of bigger problems...... |
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Mar 19, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Sep 2005
Profession: E/Me
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I'm disappointed. I saw this and hoped it would be good stories of griefing, but its just a little complaining. You see, I'm someone who could be called a griefer, in fact thats what a lot of people used to call me. Used to play a lot of UO and the opportunity to grief was aboundant and was extremely fun to do. Of course I was on the wrong end of it many times but I took it in stride and figured out ways to get passed it.
Anyways, back to GW. There isn't a good way to grief people here and I'm sort of dissappointed. Its part of life, some people are nice and others aren't. I want a way to be mean to my fellow players. So if you have a fun and productive way to do this, other than just leaving the group or going afk I would gladly appriciate you sharing. Otherwise I'll just continue to monk in RoF with Unyielding Aura, which by the way is a great spell. |
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Mar 19, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Im glad you posted that Yogi.
The reality is - people with your interest exist, like it or not. There are games designed with this kind of interaction in mind. (best one to my knowledge is eve online) Then there are games what dont intend for this to take place. (GW would be one game that isnt designed for this) So how does a game like GWs control what is bound to happen? One way is to report and band people that take thier "griefing" games to a uncompremising level. The other way is create machanics in the game to filter you out. I have my own "filters" (laughter mostly) but... it is still time consuming to be griefed on. I think if the game provided ways to dismiss griefers better then the less time I waste with them. Plus, thats less fustrations for people that cant laugh it off. Last edited by Goonter; Mar 19, 2006 at 06:12 PM // 18:12.. |
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Mar 19, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Beaverton/OR
Guild: Disciples of Birkler [BIR]
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hm....interesting discussion, i still have yet to come across anything worse then someone who leaves right after they die, and only rarely. But im sure ppl like that exist, just ignore them, there are a lot worse things that can happen besides someone killing themselves in RA.
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Mar 19, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jan 2006
Profession: W/Mo
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Studentchaos:
Nope it's like that 99% of the time. If not worse. Self Edit: I found the last part of my post to be unessesarily rude and confrontational. I dispise griefers, with every fiber of my being, but they are still just haneously misguided people. For a little while I forgot that they were people. Thus, I deleted the last part. I'll probably take a break from the thread or just watch. I however, still think griefers deserve to be driven from the game without mercy. Nothing will ever chance that opinion. Watched to many games fall to griefers. Last edited by Ken Dei; Mar 20, 2006 at 12:34 AM // 00:34.. |
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